Hier eine Recherchesammlung zum Thema Victory "as build"
Plan as "planed" 6 June 1759 by Slade http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79919.html ZAZ0128 Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the body plan, sheer lines with inboard detail and quarter decoration, and longitudinal half-breadth proposed (and approved) for Victory (1765), a 100-gun First Rate, three-decker. The plan is badly damaged so parts of the half-breadth are missing. Signed by Thomas Slade [Surveyor of the Navy, 1755-1771] Date made 6 June 1759
Plan as build 1830 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79911.html ZAZ0120 Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the body plan with sternboard decoration, sheer lines with inboard detail, decoration and figurehead, and longitudinal half-breadth for Victory (1765), a 100-gun First Rate, three-decker. Even though the plan is dated 1830, the plan illustrates the vessel prior to her 1800-3 'Large Repair' at Chatham Dockyard. The plan commemorates the death of Vice-Admiral Lord Nelson despite the plan representing the ship prior to when she was his flagship in 1803. There are also differences in gunport layouts when compared to the plan signed by Thomas Slade in 1759. Date made Circa December 1830
Plan as build 1923 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79912.html ZAZ0121 Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the body plan with sternboard outline, and inboard profile with some external detail for Victory (1765), a 100-gun First Rate, three-decker. The plan is titled 'Presented to the Royal Naval College Museum, Greenwich in 1925 by Mr Chas. H. Jordan M Inst NA". As part of this plan is an envelope containing press cuttings relating to the main plan. Numbered ZAZ0121.1 Date made Unknown
Plan Riders 1788 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79913.html ZAZ0122 Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the inboard profile with riders for Victory (1765), a 100-gun First Rate, three-decker. The plan illustrates the ship after having had her masts repositioned during her 'Large Repair' at Portsmouth Dockyard. The plan was subsequently stamped Portsmouth Dockyard 5 August 1925, when it was used for the initial restoration of Victory. Date made Circa 1788
Plan Orlop 1788 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79914.html ZAZ0123 Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the orlop deck for Victory (1765), a 100-gun First Rate, three-decker. The plan illustrates the ship after having had her masts repositioned during her 'Large Repair' at Portsmouth Dockyard. The plan was subsequently stamped Portsmouth Dockyard 5 August 1925, when it was used for the initial restoration of Victory. Date made Circa 1788
Plan Lower Deck 1788 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79915.html ZAZ0124 Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the gun deck (lower deck) for Victory (1765), a 100-gun First Rate, three-decker. The plan illustrates the ship after having had her masts repositioned during her 'Large Repair' at Portsmouth Dockyard. The plan was subsequently stamped Portsmouth Dockyard 5 August 1925, when it was used for the initial restoration of Victory. Date made Circa 1788
Plan Middle Deck 1788 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79916.html ZAZ0125 Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the middle deck for Victory (1765), a 100-gun First Rate, three-decker. The plan illustrates the ship after having had her masts repositioned during her 'Large Repair' at Portsmouth Dockyard. The plan was subsequently stamped Portsmouth Dockyard 5 August 1925, when it was used for the initial restoration of Victory. Date made Circa 1788
Plan UpperDeck 1788 ZAZ0126 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79917.html Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the upper deck for Victory (1765), a 100-gun First Rate, three-decker. The plan illustrates the ship after having had her masts repositioned during her 'Large Repair' at Portsmouth Dockyard. The plan was subsequently stamped Portsmouth Dockyard 5 August 1925, when it was used for the initial restoration of Victory. Date made Circa 1788
Modell Mid 19 Jh, http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66473.html LR0512 Scale: 1:60. A model of H.M.S Victory (1765) made entirely in wood that has been painted in realistic colours with metal fittings. The vessel is shown in a launching cradle on a slipway. The hull is painted white below the waterline with a closed black wale above. The remainder of the hull is varnished, and laid in individual planks. There are three gun decks and all the gunports are depicted in an open position, the inner faces of the gunport lids are painted red as are the insides of the gunports themselves. A decorative frieze is painted on a blue ground that runs the entire length of the hull just above main deck level. The figurehead is finely carved depicting George III, allegorical figures and a Union flag on the starboard side. Other bow details include a pair of whisker booms, a pair of catheads, one large admiralty pattern anchor, and one small anchor. The model does not have any masts but instead has three launching flag poles. Foredeck fittings include a bell and belfry, stove chimney, and a forward launching flag pole. The waist has been closed in and four beams support a ship’s boat equipped with a number of red-painted oars. Beneath the boat on the main deck are two sets of gratings. The upper deck fittings include the ship's double wheel painted red, and two companion ways that provide access to the poop deck. The poop deck fittings include a rectangular skylight, launching flag pole, hammock stowage rails, and provision for an ensign jack staff. The stern and quarter galleries, of which two are open, are elaborately carved and painted, and glazed in mica. The launching cradle and slipway is realistically depicted and there are six stabiliser poles attached to the port and starboard stern quarters and the sides of the slipway. Date made Mid-18th century
Modell Mid 19 Jh, http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66475.html LR0514 Scale: 1:60. A full hull model of the ‘Victory’ (1765), a 100-gun, three-decker ship of the line. The model is decked. Judging by its style and finish, this model would appear to be an early 19th-century example of the ‘Victory’ as built in 1765. It was originally in the Admiralty collection at Somerset House. Built at Chatham, the ‘Victory’ measured 186 feet in length (gun deck) by 52 feet in the beam, displacing 2162 tons burden. It was armed with thirty 32-pounders on the gun deck, twenty-eight 24-pounders on the middle deck, thirty 12-pounders on the upper deck, twelve 12-pounders on the quarterdeck, two 12-pounders on the forecastle and two 68-pounder carronades. The ‘Victory’, the flagship of Vice-Admiral Nelson at Trafalgar, is probably the best known of all the Royal Navy’s warships. This was the fifth incarnation of the name, and was built at Chatham and launched in 1765. It was not commissioned until 1778 and first served as Admiral Keppel’s flagship in an indecisive battle with the French off Ushant in the same year. It saw much service both in the American Revolutionary War (1775–82) and in the Revolutionary War with France (1793–1801). In 1803 it became Nelson’s flagship in the Mediterranean and carried him in his pursuit of Admiral Villeneuve across the Atlantic. It then took Nelson from Portsmouth to join, and take command of, Vice-Admiral Collingwood’s fleet that was watching the combined Franco-Spanish fleet at Cadiz in October 1805. During the subsequent battle off Cape Trafalgar, Nelson was mortally wounded by a bullet while standing on the upper deck. ‘Victory’ next served in the Baltic as the flagship of Admiral Saumarez and was withdrawn from active service in 1812. Taken to Portsmouth, it was selected as the permanent, and stationary, flagship of the commander-in-chief there, lying at moorings in the harbour. In 1922, under pressure from the Society for Nautical Research, it was brought into No. 2 Dry Dock, Chatham, where it was restored and re-rigged to its state at Trafalgar. See also SLR0515, SLR0516 and SLR0520. Date made Early 19th century Hinweis DF: mit Turbulenzrille
Modell Skeleton 18 Jh, http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66476.html LR0515 Scale: 1:180. A skeleton model of the ‘Victory’ (1765), a 100-gun, three-decker ship of the line. The model is depicted on the slipway under construction. Although the model has not been positively identified, the dimensions agree with those of the ‘Victory’. See also SLR0514, SLR0516 and SLR0520. Date made 18th century
alte Gallionsfigur, Replica von 1801-1802, SLR2530 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68489.html Scale approx. 1:24. Model of the original figurehead on HMS Victory (1765), a first rate 100 gun warship. It has been carved from several pieces of boxwood which have been glued together to form one figurehead. There is a shoulder length bust of George III in classical dress, wearing a laurel leaf crown. Below, is a shield with the Union flag pre-1801, carved on and surrounded by putti. Behind the bust and shield, are two large female figures sitting on brickwork/castlations mounts, supported by figures representing the four continents. Behind the heads of these two figures are smaller, winged figures of Victory and Peace with a male lion beneath Victory, and a crowned and wreathed shield with a royal coat of arms beneath Peace. On the lower front edges, are two mythological/classical creatures: One appears to be a double headed dragon, the other a female figure or creature. Both have parts missing. Two standing putti complete the lower part of the figurehead and are holding the horn of plenty and a globe (?). There are several parts missing from the model, such as hands, faces, feet, foliage and wings. Date made 1801-1802
Ölgemälde "The 'Victory' Sailing from Spithead" 1791, Robert Dodd; http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/15167.html BHC3694 The 'Victory' is shown centre foreground, in port broadside view, under full sail. She flies the red ensign and the flag of Vice-Admiral of the Red, and the three-decker first-rate astern of her to the right is probably the 'Queen Charlotte'. It is not clear what event is being commemorated, but in the background the ships at anchor are arranged in lines, while in the foreground, the ships under sail appear to be part of a procession. This may be an interpretation of the Royal Review of the Grand Fleet at Spithead on 1 July 1791, when 'The Times' records that 'the Duke of Gloucester preceded by Lord Hood in his barge went out to Spithead'. They entered the two lines at the east end, going round the 'Magnificent' and were rowed down to the 'Victory', the yards and tops of the fleet being manned and the marines drawn up. On their coming aboard the Commander-in-Chief, the standard was hoisted at the maintop, when there was a royal salute from the whole fleet. They went afterwards on board the 'Hannibal'. The ships in the background are portrayed firing a salute. That said, the picture was exhibited at the Royal Academy in 1792 as 'His Majesty's ship 'Victory' sailing from Spithead with a division from a grand fleet'. This suggests the alternative possibility that it derived from the brief scare called 'the Russian armament' in 1790 when the fleet mobilized but was quickly stood down. The picture, engraved by Dodd, was also published by T. Simpson as a large print and under its exhibited title on 21 August 1792 (see PAJ2246). The same plate was reissued by John P.Thompson on 1 January 1806 (PAH6248). This time, however, there was a new title - 'His Majesty's Ship Victory under Sail from Portsmouth to the Downs with the Corpse of the Immortal Nelson' - a good example of opportunist recycling of an earlier image to capitalize on a much later event (11 December 1805). In this second printing the Union flags were not updated to the post-1801pattern, which suggests that Dodd may not have been involved in the reissue. Spithead is the sheet of water between the north-eastern shore of the Isle of Wight and the English mainland. It forms a deep, sheltered channel leading into Portsmouth Harbour and provides the main Naval anchorage outside the harbour for assembling fleets to sail, or for reviews. Dodd was an English marine painter, engraver and ship portraitist who was a prolific recorder of naval actions in the American and French Revolutionary Wars. The painting is signed by the artist and dated 'R.Dodd 1791' on the stern of the boat in the foreground. Date made 1791
Ölgemälde "The 'Victory' Leaving the Channel in 1793" Monamie Swaine, http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/15169.html BHC3696 BHC3696 The 'Victory' is shown broadside to port, going down Channel to windward with Rudyerd's Eddystone Lighthouse distantly visible beyond her stern. She is shown flying the flag of Lord Hood as Vice-Admiral of the Red (red at the fore), as she heads outward-bound with her squadron in 1793 for the Mediterranean, where she was Hood's flagship at the Siege of Toulon and the invasion of Corsica. Hood had been promoted to Admiral of the Blue by the time he returned in November 1794, and on the left 'Victory' is shown again, leading the return of his squadron. In the main view 'Victory' also flies a Union jack on her bowsprit and a red ensign, as do other ships of the outward-bound squadron following her. The 'Victory' was floated out of dock at Chatham in 1765 and the picture shows her as built except that she has been coppered. This process first took place in March 1780, when the bottom of the ship below the waterline was sheathed with 3923 sheets of copper to protect her hull against ship-worm. The name 'Victory' is present on the stern. In 1797she was Sir John Jervis's flagship at the Battle of Cape St Vincent and in 1801-03 had a major rebuild at Chatham that enclosed her stern galleries and gave her a new figurehead. She then went to the Mediterranean as Nelson's flagship, up to and including at the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805. Monamy was the son of the better-known Francis Swaine and grandson of the even more famous Peter Monamy, after whom he was named. He was active from about 1769 to 1774 and, if this painting is by him, into the 1790s. As an artist he specialized in still-life and genre, although he exhibited two marine pictures at the Free Society of Artists in 1771 and 1772. Date made circa 1795
Modell in Portsmouth:
Ölgemälde "Nelson's Flagships at Anchor" 1807, Nicholas Pocock, BHC1096 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/12588.html BHC1096 A composite picture showing five of the ships in which Nelson served as a captain and flag officer from the start of the French Wars in 1793 to his death in 1805. The artist has depicted them drying sails in a calm at Spithead, Portsmouth, and despite the traditional title, two of them were not strictly flagships. The ship on the left in bow view is the 'Agamemnon', 64 guns. It was Nelson's favourite ship, which he commanded as a captain from 1793. Broadside on is the 'Vanguard', 74 guns, his flagship at the Battle of the Nile in 1798 flying a white ensign and his blue flag as Rear-Admiral of the Blue at the mizzen. Stern on is the 'Elephant', 74 guns, his temporary flagship at the Battle of Copenhagen in 1801. She is flying the blue ensign from the stern and Nelson's flag as Vice-Admiral of the Blue at her foremast. In the centre distance is the 'Captain', 74 guns, in which Nelson flew a commodore's broad pendant at the Battle of St Vincent, 1797. Dominating the right foreground is the 'Victory', 100 guns, shown in her original state, with open stern galleries, and not as she was at the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805. She is shown at anchor flying the flag of Vice-Admiral of the White, Nelson's Trafalgar rank, and firing a salute to starboard as an admiral's barge is rowed alongside, amidst other small craft. The painting is one of a series of six paintings created for a two-volume 'Life of Nelson', begun shortly after Nelson's death in 1805 by Clarke and McArthur and published in 1809. They were engraved by James Fittler and reproduced in the biography with lengthy explanatory texts. The artist placed considerable importance on accuracy, referring to his annotated drawings and sketch plans in the production of his oil paintings. Pocock was born and brought up in Bristol, went to sea at the age of 17 and rose to command several merchant ships. Although he only took up painting as a profession in his early forties, he became extremely successful, receiving commissions from naval commanders anxious to have accurate portrayals of actions and ships. By the age of 80, Pocock had recorded nearly 40 years of maritime history, demonstrating a meticulous understanding of shipping and rigging with close attention to detail. Date made 1807
Ich habe gerade diesen http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/110123.html interessanten Fund gemacht, den ich allen Vic-Interessenten nicht vorenthalten möchte. Gerade für Modellbauer die einen Bauzustand von Anfang der neunziger Jahre anstreben ist ein Vergleich mit den Originalplänen im Bezug auf die Dekoration des Spiegels sicherlich von größeren Interesse.
Grüße
Joerg
EDIT Daniel: Nicht verwirren lassen - In der NMM-Überschrift steht 1803, unten aber Ursprungsjahr 1792! Fund ist im ersten Eintrag ergänzt.
Ich denke wir sehen hier ein Schiff wie es zu Kriegszeiten (Französische Revolution) ausschaute. Ohne allen Schnörkel wie er vielleicht noch kurz vorher zu Friedenszeiten oder in früheren Kriegen vorkam. Nur wenige Jahre später wurde ja bereits per A.O. bei Neubauten, mit Ausnahme der meisten Dreidecker, die Galionsfiguren durch Krullen ersetzt (zum Leidwesen der Offiziere & Mannschaften) und generell die Dekoration verringert.
Im Buch "Old Ship - Figure Heads & Sterns" (Taschenbuch-Version und umfangreichere Hardcover-Variante) von LG Carr Laugthon gibt es einige sehr schöne Zeichnungen der HMS Victory im Zustand von 1765. Das Buch erschien erstmals im Jahr 1925 - 1991 wurde das Buch als limitiertes Faksimile neu aufgelegt, 2001 erschien die um rund 50 Seiten kürzere Taschenbuch-Variante.
Folgende Bilder stammen aus der Hardcover-Edition:
Bugverzierungen und Heckspiegel vom Director of Naval Construction, Admiralty - Anhang, Plate 16 DSC_4280.JPG - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte) DSC_4279.JPG - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)
und als Modell (Museum Portsmouth)- Anhang, Plate 17 DSC_4282.JPG - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)
der Heckspiegel vom Portsmouth-Modell - Anhang, Plate 29 DSC_4285.JPG - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)
und die Seitenansicht/ -galerie (Portmouth-Modell) - Anhang, Plate 53 - man beachte auch die Verzierungen des Schanzkleides DSC_4287.JPG - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)
Den Kennern sind diese Bilder sicherlich bekannt - aber irgendwo muss man ja mal anfangen seine Victory im Zustand von 1765 zu sehen...
"Ich gibs so gut / als ichs errang / Drumb ist mir vor keim Momo bang. Wer bessers waist / und kans erweisen / Der gebs herfür: Ich will ihn preisen." (Joseph Furttenbach 1591-1667)
rein zufällig gefunden, passt hier glaube ich ganz gut...
wenn man auf http://www.orlogsbasen.dk/Stor.asp in advanced search als "Konstruktør" Slade eingibt, bekommt man eine Liste mit den Plänen. Victory ist auch dabei. Unter dem Vorschaubild steht dann "Rigsarkivets reference: Søetatens Tegningssamling b18"